Pearse Redmond makes his grand return as a guest on this special episode. Reflections on an ever changing digital media space, and our collective struggle against confusion are had along with some memories of days gone by.
Topics include: early Porkins Policy Radio episodes, looking back at earlier days of podcasting, KONY 2012, information overload, Musk’s black eye, possibility of P Diddy pardon, early Epstein coverage, bitterness, commoditization of stories, idea that Trump would expose Epstein truth, alt media personalities exploiting story, dog whistle, end of conspiracy media, MAGA establishment pretending not to be the establishment, public threshold for failure low, J6 pardons and claims of Antifa involvement, live-streamers portraying themselves as truth tellers, war Gaza, simulation and virtual reality, RFK Jr, kicking the can down the road, not reading news can be good, debate culture, reactionary content creation, the platform leads the creator, analytics and SEO, rise of AI, nothing is real or original, lack of superintelligence, college students cheating with AI, mediocrity in and out, new Mission Impossible, social media platforms as propaganda platforms, perception warped, Great Powers Competition, resources, multipolar world, international propaganda, soft power, becoming radicalized to good causes can lead to disaster
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Partial Transcript for this episode as transcribed by Apple Podcasts:
“I think they’re sometimes losing ground. However, every time I think that, it’s like, well, this thing just keeps going. And what are your thoughts on that?
Well, I guess I think it’s just like people’s threshold for failure is so low or I don’t know their ability to disregard it. Because, I mean, yeah, like that’s like that whole idea. Like they are the deep state now.
And I mean, anyone that had some sort of illusion that like, no, no, no, this is like different. I mean, especially when it’s like that, where it’s like, you’ve got the FBI director basically saying like, there’s nothing to the Epstein thing. Just leave it, forget it.
I do not resist, but drop into this quest, drop into this chat to have a question for both of you. This particular point in the conversation with a smirk on my face, and I swear I’m going to cut my mic and stay out of it and just let you both answer. Isn’t it interesting that we were told that, you know, all the J6 people that actually did anything wrong were actually just Antifa disguised as MAGA people?”
“And then he had to pardon the people that were involved. So does that mean that he pardoned the Antifa people who have not re-emerged during this time period? I mean, they sort of went away, Antifa.
They just kind of were there and then they were gone. I mean, did they get dozed? This is my overall question, right?
Like, which side of this are they actually on? And why am I asking this question? Because if one more fool asks me if I’m happy because Trump has now released all the JFK documents, I’m going to scream.
Yeah.
Oh, you know, I just wonder if you guys have any thoughts on that J6 issue of like, well, it was Antifa, but he just pardoned the J6ers. But which side are they on? And where is it?”
“Yeah. Well, no, but you know, and like to that point, it’s like, it’s like they’re all Antifa. But I guess those people that, yeah, exactly.
It’s like, what were they doing? The ones that were like barging in, let’s go kill Nancy Pelosi. It’s like, well, they, I mean, I don’t know.
It’s like at best, they’re, I don’t know.
I mean, some of them were just straight up right wing MAGA influencers.
Yeah, exactly. Well, that’s like, like that Ali Alexander, Ali Alexander, who’s sort of disappeared.
But what about Baked Alaska? Where’s that guy?
Yeah, exactly. All of these people that were like, they had all these, you know, senators on speed dial while they’re orchestrating this. Well, that’s that’s the funny thing is like Ali Alexander and and some of these other people were like in contact with people close to Trump or within the administration, like while this was all happening.
But again, as Chuck said, it’s actually like an Antifa plot. That’s who, you know, like, I mean, again, like that woman who got killed.”
“Yes.
Well, what was she? Was that like just if I can? Excuse me.
Well, she wasn’t she wasn’t a lib, right?
No, I know. Was she like a crisis actor that went too far?
Yeah. Because because sending glom on to her as a hero, because clearly she was one of them.
Yes.
Like one of the faithful, right? I mean, it’s so it’s you can do two things at once. You can believe you can have this cognitive dissonance where you believe yes, this is Antifa, they’re crisis actors, whatever, but also be in love with these MAGA influencers who are there doing it.
Doing it.
They’re there on the ground. Stork Roads is like they’re on the walkie-talkie giving orders outside, right? All that.
So it’s just more evidence of how this bizarre, and this was also an online event too, because these goofballs were streaming it, right?”
“Yeah, yeah. So that’s a fascinating thing. I mean, I was like, I’m sure me and many other people were all like, we’re just turning on the news, and it was just like on.
It was on the news, but concurrently, these guys who are the real media, right, that are telling you the truth, we’re streaming it via their streaming platforms.
Right.
And if you want the real truth, that’s what you got to do, right?
Yeah.
So, it’s just like, it’s a perfect exemplar of the twisting of reality that happens when this weird digital communication system just becomes the way we interpret the world. Like, you can be told one thing, and you can be told the other, and believe them simultaneously, and that’s kind of just like the way it works, right?
Well, that’s like, yeah, I mean, that seems like it’s like all media now, even, I mean, this is, I remember when the war in Gaza, like, first started, and it’s all of this, like, you know, oh, well, those aren’t really photos of dead Gaza, you know, that’s doctored, and then you would get the,”
I mean, and even people that, like, even people I knew that were, you know, they would say, oh, this is all Israeli propaganda, and sometimes it’s like, but it’s not, like, you know, or it’s like, but you’re using, like, crazy, so, like, everybody is just on Twitter, sending videos back and forth, it’s like, do we know the validity of any of this? And this is, like, not to say that, like, I think people are, like, faking it, but it’s more just, like, it’s so, it’s not even that you, I feel like at one point, you know, it was all, like, oh, Russia is planting all these, like, fake story and they, you know, and they’re manipulating the election and blah, blah, blah. And, and vice versa.
We hear that it’s like, oh, like, you know, the same thing. It’s, and this, the Democrats are putting Antifa sort of sleeper agents amongst all of our right wing heroes. And that’s how it, but it really, it’s just people sharing stupid videos that have no validity, or they’re just like, it’s actually some from something like four years ago.”
“But the sentiment is always like, well, yeah, but you know that that is what they’re doing. And it just kind of becomes like, so something that’s out of date or irrelevant. Like, oh, if the sentiment fits, then like, whatever, who cares about if it’s like real or not, you know, and it’s not even truth.
It’s like, is it real? Is this like, are we living like, I hate the whole, are we living in like a simulation? But but sometimes it does feel like we are living in some kind of alternate reality that was just is is it’s I don’t even think it’s like an insidious thing.
Like, they are trying to manipulate us. And this is some CIA experiment. It’s sadly, it doesn’t seem as if that’s even necessary because people are just so willing to accept anything.”
“As long as they, you know, I mean, I don’t want to get like totally off topic with this, but I have like some of the stuff with like RFK Jr. And it’s like, so he’s like the great anti-vaxxer, you know, that is, he’s speaking truth to power. But then every time he’s in front of a camera, he’s like, well, you should all take vaccines. And, you know, it’s like, he like says the opposite of that.
But people are still like, oh no, no, no, no, no, don’t worry. Like it’s all going to be revealed later or something, you know, and I, you know, it that I don’t know, watching that from afar, someone that’s like not paying attention, much of the news and, you know, I don’t really care about what RFK Jr. thinks, but that to me is like, it’s so badly produced as the, you know, the sort of political reality TV show that it really is just, I mean, it, it, that just struck me as like, I don’t know, I mean, it, it’s, it does seem like people will like buy anything.”
“Yeah.
Like this is a guy that’s, that is people, you know, based their whole like political lives around. And then he’s saying the exact opposite of that. And people are still kind of like, oh, okay.
Sure. You know, and, and, and this is the same thing, like Trump saying, like, no, Epstein, well, I don’t really care so much. You know, that’s okay.
Like, I know that we were friends, but, you know, and, and, and, and basically saying, you know, and then now with the P Diddy thing, it’s just, I mean, it’s just like, if you Google Trump and Puff Daddy, there’s like a thousand images of them hanging out, you know, at all of these sort of parties and events. And I mean, even in that White House like question, he brags about knowing P Diddy.
Yeah.
You know, and how much, and how much Diddy loved him.
Yeah, how much Diddy loved him, yeah. Just like he loves Kim Jong Un, the love is there, it’s real. We know, we know that much.
If anything’s real, it’s the love between all of those guys, I’m sure.”
“Yeah.
And so, and that’s not even to mention Dennis Rodman, but anyway, so we live in a crazy digital world, and as you were saying, you’re bringing up the point that there’s not necessarily conspiracy behind it, that this is just the nature of the beast. It’s the way that this online existence works. It is a virtual world, first of all, it has been for a long time, so you got to remember that.
So it’s just kind of working itself out the way that it will. But in the face of that, my friend, do you think that there might be avenues to pursue or ways around, or at least attempts that could be made by people like ourselves to forge onward with what we thought we were doing back in 2013? Because I know that kind of remains my mission.
It’s like, how do I maintain? Like you said, it felt like pure or better or something. How do I maintain that and keep going?
Do you have any ideas on that?
No. I don’t know if I’m the best person. I feel like my only advice or ideas is to just not, I don’t know”
“I mean, we were saying off air, like I just like don’t read the news. I’m like so out of the loop on so many things. And in a lot of ways, it is nice to not pay attention.
You can’t pay attention to like the level of minutia that is like reported every minute of the day. It’s just there’s and yet like you’ll know every detail about some political aid that works in the Pentagon for HESCAT. But you won’t know anything about your neighborhood, or your like assemblyman, or your state senator that’s like, I don’t know.
Okay. So perhaps-
Funding your schools. I don’t know. I mean, I’m not sure that like, but I guess I’m not sure other than, the problem is, is it just seems like so now, it’s like so ubiquitous, like there is no, and people are so, I find a lot of people that I do like and used to listen to more, have all kind of, it’s almost turned into debate culture, and kind of reaction to everything, where it’s like, this is all crazy.”
“Let me break down this video, or let me, you know, everybody is like responding to something. And I find that like really kind of boring, and it’s like, it’s not super helpful. But I don’t know.
I mean, I guess it’s more like what you shouldn’t do.
Yeah, fair enough.
I mean, I guess like within that, it’s like you could make something that’s like interesting, like your show, Chuck’s show has always been something that is trying to be interesting and different, and not just, let me respond to whatever the latest talking points are from so and so. But I mean, I find that like if I go on like YouTube, it’s like all of my recommended things are communist, debates, MAGA, like Sympathizer, or it’s like people doing shows that are just, they’re watching, I don’t know, name a right wing conspiracy theorist and then like responding to that.
Yes.
And I don’t, yeah, I don’t know. Well, because that’s not even like, they’re not even presenting anything.”
“Yeah. It’s another example of the same issue that we’re running into, is that the platform is leading the creator. It’s like, look, and guaranteed, the algorithms and the analytics are what content creation is all about now.
It’s like content creators, whether they be podcasters, video producers, or just somebody on social media trying to make a following. That’s what they’re doing. All of them.
It’s like, okay, I’m going to post something. I’m going to look at my analytics and see if I got any traction. And if I did, I’m going to try my hardest to find out why.
And whatever the answer that, you know. I’m going to repeat that. Yeah.
Yeah. And that’s really, it just keeps coming down to that. And it’s been, to me, it’s been like a slow, steady like process, like erosion or something.
Where it’s just been that constant the whole time that we’ve been doing this. And people have just kind of been like washed away to see by this. Never really, like it’s obvious that everybody knows what they’re doing.
They’re like, oh yeah, I got to be up on SEO. I got to know what engagement. I[…]”
“I got to know. So you got to know how to like do that. However, they know what they’re doing, but they don’t.
So there’s this weird unconscious aspect. I mean, what about that, Pearse?
Well, here’s a, just like occurred to me, here’s like a question for you, Aaron. It’s like, as someone who’s more versed in, you know, the kind of, I don’t know, technocracy, the sort of transhumanist kind of stuff, like, is this what you thought the Age of Transitions would be like? You know, like, I was just like, we were kind of like, cleaning up our apartment and like packing up books.
And I made a big point of being like, this is Aaron’s book, we need to like place this like in this special, you know, like box so we’re gonna, you know, like I didn’t want to lose it. But you know, I was like rifling through it with Amy and just sort of like thinking about like, is this like, is this what you thought? Because even within all that, it’s like all this like, they’re, you know, they’re putting out all this stuff and it’s everything is like a reaction”
“And it’s all this like algorithm and that you’re responding to. But then like also in the middle of that is everything is like AI, you know, it’s like, oh, well, here’s like an AI thing that will help the algorithm, you know, determine what the best YouTube video is for you to watch. And then everybody that’s making content is all relying on AI.
So I don’t know, I mean, like, I just wonder what is like, is this it? Is this what the, I don’t know, like the head of serious radio thought was thinking of? Yeah, I don’t know.
I think the short answer to that is yes, this pretty much is. Because when you look at it, yes, AI has come to prominence.
Finally.
Yeah, yeah, it used to be when you talked about it, it’s like, oh yeah, I would say things like, yeah, AI is going to do this and that, it’s going to be a big deal. And people are like, yeah, okay, whatever, that sounds interesting, but it wasn’t a thing, even though it kind of was. But now everybody is able to use AI as a little toy online.”
“And also at present, for time about the social media reality and content creation, it’s being infused into that. So we keep talking about making all this stuff. Google with their VO3 video creator thing just came out.
So it’s just more of the same issue. It’s like, well, what’s real anymore? Well, I guess nothing, right?
Or nothing is like original either.
Yeah, nothing original.
Everything is just…
Everything’s a simulation because if you’ve got an AI video, it’s doing the same thing as all these other LLMs and all these other models are doing. It’s just taking whatever its training data is, it’s re-aggregating it into some new slop that you prompted it to piece together, right? So, the other interesting thing in all this is that artificial intelligence is really coming to the fore, being important, messing with our minds, and it certainly is not super intelligent, and I don’t think it’s going to be anytime soon.”
“That continues to be fascinating.
Yeah, that’s what has sort of boggled my mind is like every like, I feel like I was watching maybe this is like during the Super Bowl or some sort of live television event where, you know, there’s like a million commercials and like everything is for AI, but it was something like pet food, and it’s like some pet food company is like, we’re utilizing AI to better predict like when you know little Rex needs his kibble, and it’s, you know, and like, how number one, it’s like, what is this company paying this other company to run this AI program? And then like how much of that is in like tacked on to your kibble? Yeah, but it’s like to what end?”
“But yeah, it does seem like it like AI is just so I don’t know. It’s like lame. I’m like, we’re not that I want Terminator, but it seems like that’s not what we’re getting.
We’re getting this like thing that produces kind of crappy pictures and media and video. And I mean, I would say like, you know, every single one of Amy’s classes as an adjunct professor, there’s always multiple students that are just get caught using AI. And I mean, it’s like it’s like pathetically like it really is.
And I mean, she’s like forever reiterating like, please do not use this like one because it’s stupid, but two, you will absolutely get caught. Like, like that’s the other thing is like all of the colleges have like, they have all of these, I don’t know if they’re AI, but they certainly have all of these like programs that are detecting it. But I think also it’s like, like that’s an interesting idea.”
“Yeah, I don’t know, is all of these like AI thing, like ChatGBT and any of these other like Mid Journey and those things, they’re only like as good as what we’re putting in. And it seems like everything that’s being put in is like meat, mediocracy. You know, it’s like all these people that are like not all that talented, you know, but like they can figure out the prompts to make their like super cool cyberpunk image come out of you know, with Mid Journey or something.
And, and, you know, I mean, I saw this article that was this is a self-published writer on Amazon, but she has like a fairly popular Romanticy series. And she’d actually, I guess, like the the fact checking at Amazon is so poor, and they’re probably using some AI program to fact check it. And they like miss that in like this, in like a paragraph of like dialogue and exposition, her prompt, her AI prompt was like inserted in there, like she forgot to delete it.”
“Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where she was basically like, I want this to sound like so and so, some other Romanticy writer. And you know, it’s, and people are like, I can’t believe she did this.
It’s like, but she like ate up this crap. Like you only, you know, it’s like, I don’t know. But yeah, it seems like, I don’t know, the, are these like AI entities just kind of crappy?
Like they’re just going to be crappy. I don’t know if you, I’m sure we can, we can definitely talk about this in the next hour, but.
Oh yeah, you are going to, on that, you’re going to hang out for the Uncle Show, right, Pierce?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don’t know, I don’t know if Uncle has seen the new Mission Impossible movie.
We probably will. We haven’t yet.
Oh, okay, okay. Well, but that has all the, that’s like all about AI. It’s certainly Tom Cruise.
Well, we saw, we saw the, we saw the previous one, which was.”
“Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember that. Yeah.
It just builds. The entity becomes like more sort of crazy, but it’s funny. Like it doesn’t seem like AI is going to cause those sorts of problems.
It more seems like it’s just going to cause like people to be like dumber and lazier and just satisfied with schlock. And I don’t know, maybe perhaps that is what the transhumanists like want. Maybe that’s what Peter Thiel and others are.
Oh, yeah.
Content with.
Exactly. And look who’s, look who’s actually in charge now. Right.
It’s like the guys who bought and paid for this administration, essentially.
Right. Yeah.
Are the same ones that dumped money into the transhumanist movement. Basically, as far as I’m concerned, were the transhumanist movement. Mr. Singularity was Peter Thiel.
And the PayPal mafia, all these guys. And they can also use AI and it’s abundant on their social media platforms, which are what? They’re just propaganda platforms, as far as I’m concerned.
They are their propaganda platforms that work in several different ways. One of them being to confuse us. And as you’re saying, dumb us down and have us fighting each other.”
“You also described how the content everywhere seems to just be reactions to one another. So we are definitely being prompted ourselves to fight amongst ourselves about what? About the crap that was on the propaganda stream to begin with.
And who put that there?
Yeah.
These guys, AI systems are behind this whole damn thing. And we’re just being led further and further by this. And who’s gaining, right?
So I mean, in that sense, it seems like it’s crazy because it’s like so obvious what’s going on in one sense. It really is.
Well, but I guess that just like goes back to this idea that we were talking about earlier, is like people’s, I don’t know, it’s their BS detector, their perception is so warped.
I mean, also, I was watching some video with Kara Swisher, who’s like a tech journalist, and she used to write for Recode and so on. But she’s spent god knows how much time with Elon Musk. I mean, she thinks he’s a lunatic, but she spent a lot of time with him, talking to him, writing stories about him.”
“But she was always talking about how, at one point, he was Mr. We have to get rid of AI. This is the worst thing. It’s going to be like Terminator.
And maybe that is extreme, right? Like it doesn’t seem like that’s actually what it… Like, I don’t know.
It just doesn’t seem like it’s there. But now he’s like completely switched his tune to just like, yeah, whatever. It’s good.
Yeah, like we’re going to use it all the time. It won’t really be that bad, you know, because like, or it won’t be bad for me. You know, like that’s…
And but yeah, but it seems like that’s just people by and large now. They’ve just all kind of, I don’t know, accepted it or just pretend like it’s not this big deal anymore. And that’s like with everything, whether it’s AI, whether it’s, I don’t know, Trump and P Diddy, or I don’t know, you know, RFK Jr. and his flip-flopping on vaccines.”
“You shouldn’t take them. You should take them. I don’t know.
Whatever. Let’s just, you know, let’s move on.
You know, you know, another thing I should ask you, Pearse, what about, what does Porkins Policy think about the geopolitical situation, the great powers competition, China, Russia, you know, BRICS versus the West? What’s your take on all that? Is it an actual thing?
Is it not? What’s happening?
I feel like now, as someone that doesn’t pay as much attention, but just sort of like look, and in some ways, I would back to your point about what can we do is like, if you do step away, and then you like, come and look back on everything, you do kind of begin to, it dawns on you that maybe this isn’t as crazy as I thought it was, but to me, I find all of these fights and stuff are just so fake. There’s just nothing to them. They are completely manufactured.”
“I don’t think any of these countries have any issues with one another. They might have like squabbles about this and that. I mean, it all boils down to like minerals and oil and stuff like, I mean, that does seem important in a lot of ways, but I don’t I don’t know any of the with Trump.
I mean, it does feel like all of that veneer is completely gone because he just I mean, he doesn’t care about human rights. He doesn’t he’s very upfront. I mean, like his whole thing is all obsession with Greenland is that he just wants to control the minerals that are in there.
There’s nothing else to it. So and and and that is really kind of when it comes down to anything. I mean, that’s that’s why we signed this, you know, crazy deal in Ukraine to get, you know, rights to lithium and all these other minerals.
And, you know, and that’s the only reason that Russia is still bombing it. And and and you know, I mean, I don’t know. I mean, even that is is like Trump is sort of like, well, Putin, calm down, don’t you know, you’re[…]”
“But I don’t know, I find all of it to be kind of like laughable. I think like getting concerned. And I think that a lot of people make a lot of money and hay over like predicting World War Three is about to happen at any moment.
And I think it’s complete nonsense. No one is is actually going to do that. I don’t I don’t think it benefits any of those people.
You know, I think it benefits them to be to pretend maybe or to to keep people in this like state of like fear. But I don’t know. I feel like a lot of that is completely kind of out the window.
How about the idea of the multipolar world? Is that what’s happening? Is China becoming insular in and of itself?
And is only concerned with growing China for its own ends to its own country. Likewise with Russia. Likewise with the US.
We’re becoming more insular shut off. And is that what’s going to happen where it’s just going to be separate countries? And how what’s going on with that?”
“What’s your take on the multi-polar?
Yeah, I think there’s like a little bit of that. I think that, I mean, there’s just fewer resources. There’s fewer countries to invade.
You know, there’s fewer sort of options. So yeah, I think it is just going to become like, well, what can Russia do for Russia? What can China do for China?
Yeah, I think that’s happening. And I think that people like more and more people are seeing the US as kind of ineffectual. And I mean, certainly with like the tariff, you know, will he, won’t he?
I mean, evidently, it’s part of the art of the deal. But I mean, he doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing, you know, and everything is like changing, like minute to minute. And I think that’s becoming more apparent.
And I think people are kind of I to me, a lot of these foreign leaders are just sort of like whatever. Like, it’s not worth our time. I think that also the like capacity for like large scale conflicts and stuff like that are even even with like Gaza.”
“I think that’s I mean, unfortunately, it seems like Israel is just going to completely annihilate this tiny strip of land. And but I don’t know. I think that it that’s kind of almost like that’s the last one we’ll let happen, you know, and then we’ll just kind of like move on and it won’t it won’t be an issue anymore.
And we’ll just sort of like, I mean, even the Israel stuff is like, well, that they have to, you know, this is sort of the ultimate end goal of that. This will ensure that nothing bad will ever happen to them again. And that’s I think how all of these countries are viewing it.
And, you know, more, I mean, it’s very hard for, I mean, it’s easy, I guess, but it is hard to tell, you know, well, Israel can’t, you know, they can do whatever they want, but Russia or China or whatever, name a country.”
“Well, no, there’s definitely double standards, to say the least. And that’s why certain things like, you know, international propaganda from somebody like Russia works, because all they have to do is point out the hypocrisy in our propaganda. There you go.
And I don’t know, the last few years I’ve just been kind of like, of the mind that social media is used as a propaganda platform by its owners, yes, but it’s also used as a conduit and a platform for foreign governments to get in there and try to, you know, make their message. And it’s interesting when you read different stories about soft power and how the US is currently losing their soft power and countries like China are gaining. My kids, when they watch YouTube, every day I go out there and like one of these YouTubers is guess where?
They’re in China at a factory checking out the new greatest product. And they’re very much saying, man, this place is awesome. And I don’t know, I’m sorry.”
“I think that there’s, I think there’s something to that. I mean, not to say that like, go US down with China, but you know, there’s something going on there.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I will definitely. And I mean, it’s funny, their PR is just so much better in so many ways.
I think people are, but that’s also the problem of like, we’re all, we’re like talking on devices and with microphones and cameras and all the shit that’s, I mean, it has to be made in China. There’s no, like whatever Trump says, I mean, there’s never going to, there are never going to be factories here in the United States that are producing these things. Yeah.
And I think that, I mean, that just like has a lot of weight, like when your entire existence is like, especially as we move like more and more digital, everything is online.
I think, I think it’s just pointing to where the real war actually is, is it’s in here in the digital space. And there’s a lot of moves that can be made there. And they certainly are now and more things could happen.”
“So I just feel like that’s where things are headed.
Oh, no, no, totally. That’s what I mean. I don’t think that like it’s, you see, I feel like Gaza is that’s like the last hurrah.
Like, okay, you can commit genocide live on CNN. Yeah. And then but then after that will kind of be more sort of do it quietly like China or, you know, like some of these other countries do, you know, just kind of keep it like that.
And instead, we’ll just focus on manipulating and brainwashing people through the Internet, which, I mean, you could even look at like the Israel-Palestine conflict as like an example of that, or even people that like genuinely like believe in like supporting Palestinians are, I mean, at times, it’s like they, there’s many people become so radicalized in that idea of like supporting them that they’re willing to like accept some kind of crazy stuff and just buy into stuff that is like nonsense. And that, yeah, I think you’re right. That’s like where the actual like fight is to be had.”
“It’s not like on the battle feat, you know.
That’s where the proven formula is because now we can see it by taking countercultural anti-establishment rhetoric and then weaponizing that against the audience to get them to do, you know, fill in the blank, right? Clearly that works, right?
No, no, exactly.
So here we are. It’s quite an exciting world. But Pearse, is there any chance that we might be getting new material at Porkins Policy Review late coming up or anything that you have planned or what?
Nothing I have planned, but I will say that this conversation has certainly inspired me to want to do something. So I feel like I won’t make any promises I can’t keep because I feel like I was doing that all the time and then I would feel guilty about not putting something out. But I do, I mean, you heard it here, watch the space, that hopefully I will be doing more, even if it’s just talking with you or Chuck.
But yeah, I would like to. But I will say it’s hard because I don’t know who’s going to listen. Like, it’s tough.”
“I mean, it’s, but in a way, it’s kind of refreshing because it feels like it goes back to when we first started all those years ago where, I don’t know who was listening, but it was more, it was like more for fun. It was more like it wasn’t for like views. It was because it was like a cool, I mean, for me, it was also just like a cool way.
Like I got to talk to like, you know, you or Chuck or Ed Opperman or James Corbett, like all these people that I was like so kind of, you know, a little starstruck and it was like, it felt like it was like a cool way to connect to people. So yeah, I would like to, I will try. Yeah, I mean, for those who don’t know, I mean, Chuck put it in the chat, I think some people know, but I did, my wife did give birth in August.
So young Bobby Primo, my son, he’s not opposed to podcasting, but he certainly has some demands on my time. But we’ll try to kind of ease that.”
“Very good. Well, I can tell you, I’ve had a lot of fun talking to you tonight. It’s great.
It’s literally talking to an old friend, so I couldn’t ask for anything more, man. I really appreciate you coming on here.
Oh, yeah. Thank you for having me.
And as we were saying, you’re going to hang out at least for The Uncle Show now, right?
Yeah. Yeah. I think I just need to get another beer or something, and then I’ll be ready to go.
Awesome. Well, with that in mind, everybody who happens to be listening on the Ocelli Radio Network, you better not touch the dial because we’re going to turn this right over to The Uncle Show in mere minutes, so stick around. Do you want to give out any social media handles, your Twitter, or anything, Pearse, before we go?
Yeah.
I mean, if you have a little bit of time, I don’t really post it. I think today was the first time I’ve posted in, I don’t know, a year or something. Yeah.”
From The Age of Transitions: Pearse Redmond guest, Porkins Policy Reviews a World Gone Mad, Jun 1, 2025
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pearse-redmond-guest-porkins-policy-reviews-a-world/id931746298?i=1000710787095&r=3455
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“I mean, you can go there. I mean, it’s funny, there’s still people that go through all these old tweets, and I’ll get retweeted in some crazy thread I wrote five years ago. But yeah, it’s just at Porkins Policy.
I think that. I don’t even know. Is that my Twitter?
Yeah, I believe so.
And yeah, you can go to porkinspolicyreview.com, is my website. There’s not much on there that’s new, but there’s certainly tons. I mean, there’s hundreds of episodes to go through if one chooses to.
All right. Check out the Porkins Archives, everybody. It’s still there.
And give this man credit. He was the first on a lot of stuff and so much good old material that if you went back and listen to it, it would still be worthwhile. So I’ll say that.
So yeah, thanks again, Pearse. Looking forward to having uncle join this conversation.
Yeah.
And of course, you are listening all to the Age of Transitions. theageoftransitions.com is my website. My name is Aaron Franz.
As always, I will leave you by saying Seeker Seek On.”